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(Msg. 121) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:03 pm
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David White wrote:
> Timberwoof wrote:
>> In article ,
>> pinbob wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:35:37 -0700, Timberwoof wrote:
>>>
>>>> the MSF class taught me a lot of good stuff. I did appreciate the
>>>> bit about How To Get On A Motorcycle, a routine I have followed
>>>> attentively and thus only very rarely dropped my bike. }: )
>>> You've got to be joking!
>>>
>>> Let me get this straight. You learned from the msf class how to get on a
>>> bike without dropping it? Oh wait. You learned how to get on your
>>> bike and
>>> you drop it only rarely?
>>>
>>> If you haven't by your own words proven that the california msf basic
>>> rider
>>> class is nothing more than motorcycle kindergarten, I can't imagine a
>>> better description!
>>
>> Let me get this straight: You think that's the only thing I learned.
>> And you didn't seek any independent verification of the MSF class
>> curriculum. Either that or you forgot all the details of the drills
>> that other people who took the class reported. So much for your
>> critical thinking.
>>
> And being a coach, I learn new things also. I may have a student come up
> with a question that I can't answer. I give all the students my e-mail
> addy and tell if them to send me any questions that I was unable to
> answer in class. When they do, I find the answer, send it to the student
> and I have that knowledge for future classes. I don't know it all and
> I'm not afraid to admit it.

Teaching is for sure the best way to learn. When I was a hang gliding
instructor, students would sometimes ask questions about things I'd
never considered. It made me a better teacher as well as a better pilot.

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(Msg. 122) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:04 pm
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Beav wrote:
> "David White" wrote in message
>
>
>>> The funniest part was how the "riding coach" kept telling us how "expert"
>>> he was. Having come from a cold weather country, I can assure you that
>>> riding in the rain, even if it was a veritable downpour, does not qualify
>>> a
>>> msf coach to declare himself an expert in all things motorcycles. He even
>>> said the reason for shifting weight when encountering obstacles was to
>>> "lower" the center of gravity! Ha!
>> I am sorry that you had to deal with that type of RiderCoach. Maybe your
>> perception of the course would be different, if you had a coach that ran
>> the class the way it was supposed to be.
>
> Does this mean that going on an MSF course can result in a person being
> taught by someone who could pass on bad habits? My God, it's just like
> getting a friend in to do the instructing.
>
>
> You can't have a lot of
>> confidence in a course when the coach is has little or no clue about the
>> subject he is speaking about.
>
> And how would one know before they went? At least if someone has her brother
> doing the intial helping out, she'll have a rough idea of his capabilities
> as both a rider and an instructor.
>
>>> Besides, he had no clue about the laws regarding lane splitting. He said
>>> you had to do it below 20 mph. Ha! What bullshit he spouted. He insisted
>>> we
>>> check the fuel cock even though half the donated bikes didn't even have
>>> one. Ha! What a pompous ass. And I'm supposed to learn biking from
>>> him?????
>> Let me ask you a question, Bob. Do you know what the Calif. Vehicle Code
>> states about the subject of "Lane Splitting", or "Land Sharing"? Not many
>> riders do. The coach you had in your class should have known. That
>> question has come up in every course that I have taught, and MSF has
>> supplied us with documentation that addresses that very subject.
>
> So the MSF isn't what it should be?
>
>>> I truly fear for my life if someone passes any california msf class and
>>> rides a bike within a mile of me. At least if they pass the california
>>> dmv
>>> riding test, they have to be prove themselves to be absolute experts on
>>> their own bike, not a bunch of kindergarten kids on a rented 200 cc toy.
>> At the end of each course, I tell the students what they learned in the
>> course is the "basics" of motorcycle riding and they should in no way they
>> should consider themselves "expert" riders (students with riding
>> experience know that I am not including them). I suggest that they take
>> their bikes to places like large parking lots or secluded streets and get
>> lots of practice before they get out in actual traffic situations.
>
> Absolute shite course then. And I make no apologies for saying that. If
> someone comes to me for instruction, they CAN ride properly, confidently and
> safely and I'm not a "class". To run a course on motorcycle riding and then
> have the "passed out" students take themselves off to a parking lot is
> bordering on the utterly ridiculous. Actually, forget the "bordering", it IS
> ridiculous.
>
>
>> The city I live is has an industrial area that is pretty vacant on
>> weekends. It has traffic signals, stop signs, left and right turns, and
>> the occasional car or two. It is a perfect place to work on your riding
>> technique, without getting into major traffic.
>
> Not much point when all of us ride IN traffic.
>
>> BTW, the only thing that the DMV test proves is that you know how to ride
>> in circles at slow speed. How does that show how proficient you will be on
>> the street, in traffic??
>
> And how, exactly, does the MSF course differ? You've already said yourself
> that you advise your students to stay away from traffic and practise in a
> parking lot.
>
>
>

It's kinda hard to ride when you're passed out...

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(Msg. 123) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:19 pm
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Michael Black wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:49:30 -0700, David White wrote:
>> Why is it so hard to pass the DMV test?? I did it on a Goldwing.
>
> With all due respect, I've taken that California DMV test. I very seriously
> doubt you did it on anything of the sort.
>
> I wish we could find the California DMV records which show which bikes
> "tried" to pass the lollipop test and which ones did.
>
> While I very seriously doubt you "did it on a Goldwing" (as I've heard this
> before) is there any way we can actually find out the real statistics of
> which bikes passed and which failed?
>
> Since I took the CA DMV keyhole test, I KNOW they ask what the bike you're
> on is - so the information MUST be somewhere.
>
> That's all I'll believe. Sorry.
>
> For all of us....
>
> Can anyone speak the truth as to the real statistics of the millions of
> California riders who "attempted" to take the California lollipop test?

I passed it. At the time, I had a R65 and a Honda NX250. I chose to take
it on the Honda. After I passed, I loaned my bike to a guy who had a big
Guzzi, because he was concerned about the circle. He did fine on my bike.

As far as passing the test on a 'Wing, I doubt I could do it. I could do
it on my beemer, one day I was going by the DMV when it was closed, and
tried out the circle a few times on a whim. First loop, oops. The other
four times I did fine, although I seem to have more trouble when
circling to the right. I wonder if the rotation of the drive shaft has
anything to do with that.

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(Msg. 124) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:24 pm
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Michael Black wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:24:54 -0700, Timberwoof wrote:
>
>> Okay, looking at that way, the situation entirely sucks. But none of
>> this is a reason for slagging the whole MSF class. You should be
>> slagging the testing methods that the CA DMV uses.
>
> Uh, actually, that's the whole point.
>
> It's all related, ever so discreetly.
>
> The MSF is in cohoots with the DMV to get the DMV to create a stupid test
> that forces experienced riders into the MSF basic rider class without
> allowing them to take the advanced class instead.
>
> Everyone but you wins.
>
> - The Ca DMV wins because they don't have to administer millions of tests
> - The MSF wins (big time) because they make hundreds of millions of
> hundreds of dollars on this scam
>
> Is it just me who sees what's really going on here for experienced riders?

I guess not. I took the test and passed it the first time.
Now, back in the 70s, California had the king-hell of all skill tests!
I took it when I got out of the Army and returned to Cali, and failed
miserably. In part, it was because I learned on a BSA, and tried to take
the test on a Honda. Every time I went to shift, I put the brake on! D'oh!

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(Msg. 125) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:28 pm
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Marco S Hyman wrote:
> Michael Black writes:
>
>> Everyone but you wins.
>>
>> - The Ca DMV wins because they don't have to administer millions of tests
>> - The MSF wins (big time) because they make hundreds of millions of
>> hundreds of dollars on this scam
>
> heh.... just a little bit of hyperbole in those statements.
> Just how many new riders do you think take the test yearly,
> statewide. Tens of thousands, certainly not millions.
> Lets see... Newest statistics I can find are for 2004.
>
> 2004: 1,015,488 M1 license endorsements
> 2003: 975,681 M1 license endorsements
>
> So there were just under 40,000 new endorsements issued in California
> in 2004.
>
> As for your "hundreds of millions of hundreds of dollars" claim...
> BAMT charges $235 for adults, $150 for those under 21 (the ones
> forced to take the class by law). I haven't a clue as to how
> much of that is to pay for the venue, how much to insurance, how
> much to msf, and how much BAMT gets to keep. Even if MSF got 100%
> and everyone was an adult you're still an order of magnitude
> too high.
>
>> Is it just me who sees what's really going on here for experienced riders?
>
> I took the "riding around the circle" test to get my M1 when I moved
> back to California in the early 80s. No big deal. I've since
> taken the ERC course because I was curious as to what they were
> teaching (and also courious as to how many bad habits I'd picked
> up over the years). It was worth whatever I paid for it (forget
> how much).
>
> // marc

I'd kind of like to take the advanced course as well. Who knows what
I've been doing wrong all these years? Smile

I'm sure I'd learn something new, and it'd be fun. One of these days...

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(Msg. 126) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:34 pm
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Patti Beadles wrote:
> In article ,
> J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> That's not the impression I got from the DMV site. Is it in error or
>> just misleading? If all one has to do is present one's existing
>> license then I don't see what all the bellyaching is about.
>
> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm#two500
>
> This suggests that you have to do the vision test and the
> written, but not the driving test when you move a drivers
> license. Since a motorcycle license is really just a drivers
> license with an extra couple of letters on it, I believe it's
> the same thing.
>
> If I had a few minutes, I'd call the DMV and find out for sure.
>
> -Patti

Eh...it's all voice mail these days. Press one for Spanish. It's okay if
you're making an appointment, but pretty annoying otherwise.

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(Msg. 127) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:41 pm
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Jim Newton wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:00:46 -0400, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> Jim Benson wrote:
>>> You should find how to prepare for the California DMV riding test
>>> here
>>> http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-training/motorcycle-test
>> That's a very intersting site but it has nothing to do with
>> California. Note that it says that 39 states have adopted the test it
>> addresses. California is not one of them.
>
> This is all a very interesting discussion. I've learned a lot!
> Here is a photo of a test in progress, albeit on a very small bike.
>
> http://img72.exs.cx/img72/6595/CA_DMV_TEST_IN_PROGRESS.gif
>
> Notice the very heavy right foot pressure, with a concurrent tight grip of
> the left hand, and lots and lots of throttle to maintain constant momentum
> without too much lean.
>
> One tiny mistake, and you fail, so you have to practice this until you pass
> 100 percent of the time!

And when you can, you will prove that you are highly skilled at going
around in circles!

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(Msg. 128) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:49 pm
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Chuck Rhode wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote this on Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:47:57 -0400. My reply is
> below.
>
>> Chuck Rhode wrote:
>
>>> J. Clarke wrote this on Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:11:00 -0400. My reply
>>> is below.
>
>>>> I suspect that if you talk to MSF about it they'll agree that it's
>>>> "motorcycle kindergarten". What do you _expect_ it to be?
>
>>> ... and MSF could fix that impression anytime they wanted to, too.
>
>> Uh, what needs to be "fixed" and why?
>
> Why? I think more people would be inclined to pony up for the course
> if they thought it conveyed significant results.

It's for *beginners.* That means any result is significant.
>
> What? According to the scuttlebutt (literally drinking-fountain
> gossip) I hear, the course has been dumbed down from what it used to
> be.
>


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(Msg. 129) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:50 pm
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Paladin wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:13:38 GMT, pinbob
> wrote:
>
> ....
>
>> Yes. I know EXACTLY what the California Vehicle Code states about "Lane
>> Splitting". The answer (drumroll) ... ... ... absolutly nothing!
>
> 27803. (a) A driver and any passenger shall wear a safety helmet....
> (f) This section does not apply to a person operating, or
> riding as a passenger in, a fully enclosed three-wheeled.....
>
> 21714. The driver of a vehicle described in subdivision (f) of
> Section 27803 shall not do either of the following:
> (a) Operate the vehicle in any lane established under Section
> 21655.5 as an exclusive or preferential use lane for high-occupancy
> vehicles.
> (b) Operate the vehicle in either of the following:
> (1) The area on, or immediately adjacent to, the striping or other
> markers designating adjacent traffic lanes.
> (2) The area between two or more vehicles that are traveling in
> adjacent traffic lanes.
>
> The California Vehicle Code states that Three-Wheeled "Motorcycles"
> that are enclosed and wide and heavy may be driven without wearing a
> motorcycle helmet, and may NOT operate between lanes (splitting) --
> with the implication that such is legal for other motorcycles.
> ....

LOL! You probably can't split lanes with a sidecar, either!
>
>> The only law about lane sharing is that there isn't a law prohibiting lane
>> sharing. The MSF class got it all wrong.
>>
>> At least, did I get it right?
>
> No, the CVC does prohibit lane sharing by a single class of
> motorcycles.
>
>


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(Msg. 130) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:54 pm
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barb wrote:
> Michael Black wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:49:30 -0700, David White wrote:
>>> Why is it so hard to pass the DMV test?? I did it on a Goldwing.
>>
>> With all due respect, I've taken that California DMV test. I very
>> seriously
>> doubt you did it on anything of the sort.
>> I wish we could find the California DMV records which show which bikes
>> "tried" to pass the lollipop test and which ones did.
>>
>> While I very seriously doubt you "did it on a Goldwing" (as I've heard
>> this
>> before) is there any way we can actually find out the real statistics of
>> which bikes passed and which failed?
>>
>> Since I took the CA DMV keyhole test, I KNOW they ask what the bike
>> you're
>> on is - so the information MUST be somewhere.
>>
>> That's all I'll believe. Sorry.
>>
>> For all of us....
>>
>> Can anyone speak the truth as to the real statistics of the millions of
>> California riders who "attempted" to take the California lollipop test?
>
> I passed it. At the time, I had a R65 and a Honda NX250. I chose to take
> it on the Honda. After I passed, I loaned my bike to a guy who had a big
> Guzzi, because he was concerned about the circle. He did fine on my bike.
>
> As far as passing the test on a 'Wing, I doubt I could do it. I could do
> it on my beemer, one day I was going by the DMV when it was closed, and
> tried out the circle a few times on a whim. First loop, oops. The other
> four times I did fine, although I seem to have more trouble when
> circling to the right. I wonder if the rotation of the drive shaft has
> anything to do with that.
>

Nah, probably has more to do with the direction of rotation of your
brain cells!
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(Msg. 131) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:57 pm
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barb wrote:
> Michael Black wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:24:54 -0700, Timberwoof wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, looking at that way, the situation entirely sucks. But none of
>>> this is a reason for slagging the whole MSF class. You should be
>>> slagging the testing methods that the CA DMV uses.
>>
>> Uh, actually, that's the whole point.
>>
>> It's all related, ever so discreetly.
>> The MSF is in cohoots with the DMV to get the DMV to create a stupid test
>> that forces experienced riders into the MSF basic rider class without
>> allowing them to take the advanced class instead.
>>
>> Everyone but you wins.
>>
>> - The Ca DMV wins because they don't have to administer millions of tests
>> - The MSF wins (big time) because they make hundreds of millions of
>> hundreds of dollars on this scam
>>
>> Is it just me who sees what's really going on here for experienced
>> riders?
>
> I guess not. I took the test and passed it the first time.
> Now, back in the 70s, California had the king-hell of all skill tests!
> I took it when I got out of the Army and returned to Cali, and failed
> miserably. In part, it was because I learned on a BSA, and tried to take
> the test on a Honda. Every time I went to shift, I put the brake on! D'oh!
>

LOL!
BTDT
I had a 69 BSA Rocket III and a Honda CX500 st the same time. My left
big toe still cringes at the memory of trying to upshift the Honda's
brake pedal.
OWW!
Not to mention downshifting it...

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(Msg. 132) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:27 pm
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In article ,
barb wrote:

> Michael Black wrote:
> > On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:49:30 -0700, David White wrote:
> >> Why is it so hard to pass the DMV test?? I did it on a Goldwing.
> >
> > With all due respect, I've taken that California DMV test. I very seriously
> > doubt you did it on anything of the sort.
> >
> > I wish we could find the California DMV records which show which bikes
> > "tried" to pass the lollipop test and which ones did.
> >
> > While I very seriously doubt you "did it on a Goldwing" (as I've heard this
> > before) is there any way we can actually find out the real statistics of
> > which bikes passed and which failed?
> >
> > Since I took the CA DMV keyhole test, I KNOW they ask what the bike you're
> > on is - so the information MUST be somewhere.
> >
> > That's all I'll believe. Sorry.
> >
> > For all of us....
> >
> > Can anyone speak the truth as to the real statistics of the millions of
> > California riders who "attempted" to take the California lollipop test?
>
> I passed it. At the time, I had a R65 and a Honda NX250. I chose to take
> it on the Honda. After I passed, I loaned my bike to a guy who had a big
> Guzzi, because he was concerned about the circle. He did fine on my bike.
>
> As far as passing the test on a 'Wing, I doubt I could do it. I could do
> it on my beemer, one day I was going by the DMV when it was closed, and
> tried out the circle a few times on a whim. First loop, oops. The other
> four times I did fine, although I seem to have more trouble when
> circling to the right. I wonder if the rotation of the drive shaft has
> anything to do with that.

Probably not. You're going at constant speed, so whatever torque effect
there is is constant. It's more likely what ice skaters call the
preferred direction of spin: everybody has a direction they are
naturally better at turning or spinning in. It's related to handedness.

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(Msg. 133) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:27 pm
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In article ,
Paul Elliot wrote:

> barb wrote:
> > Michael Black wrote:
> >> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 11:49:30 -0700, David White wrote:
> >>> Why is it so hard to pass the DMV test?? I did it on a Goldwing.
> >>
> >> With all due respect, I've taken that California DMV test. I very
> >> seriously
> >> doubt you did it on anything of the sort.
> >> I wish we could find the California DMV records which show which bikes
> >> "tried" to pass the lollipop test and which ones did.
> >>
> >> While I very seriously doubt you "did it on a Goldwing" (as I've heard
> >> this
> >> before) is there any way we can actually find out the real statistics of
> >> which bikes passed and which failed?
> >>
> >> Since I took the CA DMV keyhole test, I KNOW they ask what the bike
> >> you're
> >> on is - so the information MUST be somewhere.
> >>
> >> That's all I'll believe. Sorry.
> >>
> >> For all of us....
> >>
> >> Can anyone speak the truth as to the real statistics of the millions of
> >> California riders who "attempted" to take the California lollipop test?
> >
> > I passed it. At the time, I had a R65 and a Honda NX250. I chose to take
> > it on the Honda. After I passed, I loaned my bike to a guy who had a big
> > Guzzi, because he was concerned about the circle. He did fine on my bike.
> >
> > As far as passing the test on a 'Wing, I doubt I could do it. I could do
> > it on my beemer, one day I was going by the DMV when it was closed, and
> > tried out the circle a few times on a whim. First loop, oops. The other
> > four times I did fine, although I seem to have more trouble when
> > circling to the right. I wonder if the rotation of the drive shaft has
> > anything to do with that.
> >
>
> Nah, probably has more to do with the direction of rotation of your
> brain cells!
> Smile

Like I said... Wink

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(Msg. 134) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:35 pm
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Paladin wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:13:38 GMT, pinbob
> wrote:
>
> ....
>
>> Yes. I know EXACTLY what the California Vehicle Code states about "Lane
>> Splitting". The answer (drumroll) ... ... ... absolutly nothing!
>
> 27803. (a) A driver and any passenger shall wear a safety helmet....
> (f) This section does not apply to a person operating, or
> riding as a passenger in, a fully enclosed three-wheeled.....
>
> 21714. The driver of a vehicle described in subdivision (f) of
> Section 27803 shall not do either of the following:
> (a) Operate the vehicle in any lane established under Section
> 21655.5 as an exclusive or preferential use lane for high-occupancy
> vehicles.
> (b) Operate the vehicle in either of the following:
> (1) The area on, or immediately adjacent to, the striping or other
> markers designating adjacent traffic lanes.
> (2) The area between two or more vehicles that are traveling in
> adjacent traffic lanes.
>
> The California Vehicle Code states that Three-Wheeled "Motorcycles"
> that are enclosed and wide and heavy may be driven without wearing a
> motorcycle helmet, and may NOT operate between lanes (splitting) --
> with the implication that such is legal for other motorcycles.

Sorry dude, it doesn't work that way. If you ride on anything more than
two wheels, you don't have to have an M1 endorsement. so using your
logic, you should not need an M1 to ride two wheel bikes. That's why it
states "Three wheeled Motorcycles".
> ....
>
>> The only law about lane sharing is that there isn't a law prohibiting lane
>> sharing. The MSF class got it all wrong.
>>
>> At least, did I get it right?
>
> No, the CVC does prohibit lane sharing by a single class of
> motorcycles.

You are right. But, it is a class that you do not need an M1 endorsement.
>
>
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(Msg. 135) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:20 pm
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J. Clarke wrote this on Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:36:38 -0400. My reply is
below.

> Chuck Rhode wrote:

>> Why? I think more people would be inclined to pony up for the
>> course if they thought it conveyed significant results.

> Define "significant results".

Say "please."

>> What? According to the scuttlebutt (literally drinking-fountain
>> gossip) I hear, the course has been dumbed down from what it used
>> to be.

> So people at your job have taken it multiple times? _Why_?

No, people here on Reeky.... They say they learn something new on every
iteration, but then they keep posting here, too, so maybe they don't
assimilate new concepts very quickly or don't retain very many at a
time.

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